Chipping On The Green?

[stroh]

Whenever I play with my brother-in-law, he invariably, at one point in the round, gets to a green, a fair distance to the hole, or a position, with a decent uphill elevation change, and says "You know, I should chip this like Lehman did."  His reference is to a situation in which, apparently Lehman chose to either "pitch", or "chip" a shot(fodder for another thread) from the putting surface.  Again, apparently with great success, hence the not shutting the *fudge* up about it.

So, my questions are many.  Vague, uninformed, off topic, unintelligible, mispelled, serve no real purpose, aren't really intended to advance the knowledge of the game, or the enjoyment of this forum, typically posed, sans pants, and oft times, under the influence, and generally not funny. You've come to expect it.

a) Is this even legal?  I can't find anything in the rules to prohibit it.  I know, that you may use any club to strike a ball on the putting surface, but what about contacting the surface?

b) Does anybody remember this shot?  Did it really happen?  The answer to a, or b, will negate, I'm sure either a, or b.

c) I guess, I can't remember ever seeing anybody do it on any green.  So, is it one of those stigma things?  If you do it, and *fudge* up the green, you just look like an ass?

d) Scenario:  Tiger Woods.(chosen, because he has the skill, coupled with ego, and star power for this to occur.)  Picture a green with a front, and back bowl, with a peninsula separating them, or better yet, what's the one green that has the island of deep rough, and a bunker in the middle of the green?  So, Tiger hits, to the back, pin front, and decides, he has to carry, so pulls his 64 degree, and does just that.  Problem is, he takes a pretty good skin, in the process.  Real problem,  Where he hit from is where the next days pin would be located.

If I'm reading correctly, you are not allowed to attempt to "repair" that, since it wasn't damaged by a ball. (I'm speaking to the players putting on the next day.)

So, I ask you:  Deal?  Or, No Deal?

[Fuzzy]

a) Is this even legal?  I can't find anything in the rules to prohibit it.  I know, that you may use any club to strike a ball on the putting surface, but what about contacting the surface?

b) Does anybody remember this shot?  Did it really happen?  The answer to a, or b, will negate, I'm sure either a, or b.

c) I guess, I can't remember ever seeing anybody do it on any green.  So, is it one of those stigma things?  If you do it, and *fudge* up the green, you just look like an ass?

d) Scenario:  Tiger Woods.(chosen, because he has the skill, coupled with ego, and star power for this to occur.)  Picture a green with a front, and back bowl, with a peninsula separating them, or better yet, what's the one green that has the island of deep rough, and a bunker in the middle of the green?  So, Tiger hits, to the back, pin front, and decides, he has to carry, so pulls his 64 degree, and does just that.  Problem is, he takes a pretty good skin, in the process.  Real problem,  Where he hit from is where the next days pin would be located.

If I'm reading correctly, you are not allowed to attempt to "repair" that, since it wasn't damaged by a ball. (I'm speaking to the players putting on the next day.)

So, I ask you:  Deal?  Or, No Deal?

a) Yes, it is legal
b) I don't remember Lehman, but I seem to remember Mickelson doing it within the last year.
c) Yes, if you *fudge* up the green you'll probably look like an ass. And no doubt incur the wrath of the superintendent/greenskeeper.
d) Good question. I'm not sure but I bet they would alter the location of the hole or work overtime getting the condition of the green as close to "before" as possible.

Why do you hate Tiger? 

[stroh]

Why do you hate Tiger? 

LOL!  I'm actually a huge Tiger fan.  I'm no civicsedan, or whatever the hell his name is. Oh wait, I guess he changed it to QC. 

True story.  I was sitting at The Ground Round in Columbia Heights(when they were still in business.  Should have never closed them.  Great place. YMMV but if your mileage doesn't match mine, you just a *8==>*head, and serving no purpose here.  again, YMMV.  I'm sitting with this guy, and we were watching the second 18, of his first Amateur.  I told the guy, "This kid is good.  I saw him when he was little on the Mike Douglas Show.  You watch, he'll give Norman, Couples, Payne, and those guys a run.  Mickle who?  You're an idiot.  Want another beer?"  True story.

Been a Tiger fanatic evar since, I even have the Tiger head cover.  Nike driver, Nike 3 wood, Nike blade irons,  had a Nike wedge.  No I do not.  Nike shirt.  Nike ball.  Nike hat.  Nike shoes.  True story.

[Uisce Beatha]

Legal but anyone who does it outside of a pro tour or a top amateur event should be fired off the course and never let back. 

Unless it's a stupid hole like #6 at Riviera.  That green deserves to look like a driving range.



I don't remember the Lehman thing but I do remember the Mickelson thing.  He chunked his.  LOL. 

[stroh]

Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of.  Thanks Whiskey.  The Lehman shot, I guess, was the 96 Open Championship at Lytham.

[Seamus]

Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of.  Thanks Whiskey.  The Lehman shot, I guess, was the 96 Open Championship at Lytham.

I have it on VHS maybe sometime in the next couple of months I'll watch it and get back to you.

[Spartan]

Legal but anyone who does it outside of a pro tour or a top amateur event should be fired off the course and never let back. 
 

That pretty much sums it up unless you're playing in an important tournament or there's LOTS of money on the line.  Anybody that would try it in an everyday round should have their wedge wrapped around their neck.

[JDerion]

Els did it on #12 at Harbour Town last week and he holed the shot. #10 at Harbour town is heart shaped with a bunker at the top, sort of visible here:

I've seen a flop shot off the green several times on that hole. I can remember chipping from the green once. When it's a hole that has positions from which you can't putt to another portion of the green, it has to be expected.

[spacey]

I'm not a course architect, nor do I play one on TV, but I've always had a problem with a green that has a bunker, water hazard, or otherwise right in the middle of it.

[Torpedo]

I'm not a course architect, nor do I play one on TV, but I've always had a problem with a green that has a bunker, water hazard, or otherwise right in the middle of it.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me.

[E-A-G-L-E!]

I'm not a course architect, nor do I play one on TV, but I've always had a problem with a green that has a bunker, water hazard, or otherwise right in the middle of it.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me.

That's why it's laid out as such.

I think it's certainly interesting that they would consider adding a hazard like that inside a green.  Might even be fun to play a hole that has one on occasion.  Landing on the wrong side of the green could prove to be a challenge.