well, at least we dont have this* super bowl issue to worry about anymore

[Aske]

http://seattletimes.nwsou...ics/2004171210_nfl08.html

[stroh]

LOL

[Uisce Beatha]

Our church canceled its party/pot luck thing. 

Are the ads somehow not displayed when watching as a group on a 60" display?  How can you prohibit someone receiving something you're giving away?  It's a stupid, stupid act of aggression IMO.

[Clive]

bill.attainder.surrenders

[hobbit]

Someone needs to cockpunch the NFL

[Clive]

§ 110. Limitations on exclusive rights: Exemption of certain performances and displays

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, the following are not infringements of copyright:

(1) [educational fair use];

(2) [government/nonprofit-educational fair use];

(3) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work or of a dramatico-musical work of a religious nature, or display of a work, in the course of services at a place of worship or other religious assembly;

(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if —

(5)(A) except as provided in subparagraph (B), communication of a transmission embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly used in private homes, unless —

(i) a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission; or

(ii) the transmission thus received is further transmitted to the public;

(B) communication by an establishment of a transmission or retransmission embodying a performance or display of a nondramatic musical work intended to be received by the general public, originated by a radio or television broadcast station licensed as such by the Federal Communications Commission, or, if an audiovisual transmission, by a cable system or satellite carrier, if —

(i) in the case of an establishment other than a food service or drinking establishment, either the establishment in which the communication occurs has less than 2,000 gross square feet of space (excluding space used for customer parking and for no other purpose), or the establishment in which the communication occurs has 2,000 or more gross square feet of space (excluding space used for customer parking and for no other purpose) and —

(I) if the performance is by audio means only, the performance is communicated by means of a total of not more than 6 loudspeakers, of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space; or

(II) if the performance or display is by audiovisual means, any visual portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 4 audiovisual devices, of which not more than 1 audiovisual device is located in any 1 room, and no such audiovisual device has a diagonal screen size greater than 55 inches, and any audio portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 6 loudspeakers, of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space;

(ii) in the case of a food service or drinking establishment, either the establishment in which the communication occurs has less than 3,750 gross square feet of space (excluding space used for customer parking and for no other purpose), or the establishment in which the communication occurs has 3,750 gross square feet of space or more (excluding space used for customer parking and for no other purpose) and —

(I) if the performance is by audio means only, the performance is communicated by means of a total of not more than 6 loudspeakers, of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space; or

(II) if the performance or display is by audiovisual means, any visual portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 4 audiovisual devices, of which not more than 1 audiovisual device is located in any 1 room, and no such audiovisual device has a diagonal screen size greater than 55 inches, and any audio portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 6 loudspeakers, of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space;

(iii) no direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission or retransmission;

(iv) the transmission or retransmission is not further transmitted beyond the establishment where it is received; and

(v) the transmission or retransmission is licensed by the copyright owner of the work so publicly performed or displayed;...

Religious groups already have a special fair-use exemption for use of copyrighted works in their services.

Honestly, does this issue get any traction if the "oppressed" group isn't a church?  Substitute men's golf league, college fraternity house or any other generic social group -- Congress has already seen fit to NOT exempt them, and without any outcry from John Q. Public.

[Aske]

*fiddlesticks*offanddiestupidcopyrightbull*feces*s

[stroh]

*fiddlesticks*offanddiestupidcopyrightbull*feces*s

 

The preceding broadcast has been a presentation of the National Football League.  It is intended soley for the private use of our audience.  Any re-broadcast, pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the express written consent of the commissioner is strictly prohibited.

[Uisce Beatha]

Honestly, does this issue get any traction if the "oppressed" group isn't a church?  Substitute men's golf league, college fraternity house or any other generic social group -- Congress has already seen fit to NOT exempt them, and without any outcry from John Q. Public.

Oh please.  You don't think those other groups aren't all watching the game in a crowd on as big a display as they can find?  The reason this gets "traction" is because the NFL sends nasty letters to churches.  Do you think Po Dunk G.C. men's association got a letter?  How about Phi Sigma *fudge*about?  How about Aske and Sal and their friends over for the game, beer and wings?

The whole concept is bull*feces*.  ANY organization should be able to put together a Super Bowl party without worrying about Big Brother.  It's broadcast over public airwaves.  It's paid for by advertising.  Unless they're charging a cover or otherwise benefiting from reselling the "product" itself all should be good. 

Don't get all legaleezy on me now.  I'm talking about common sense and where it intersects bull*feces*.   

[stroh]

That's Phi Smegma  *fudge*about

[Walfredo]

or gamma Vi brater

[Clive]

Oh please.  You don't think those other groups aren't all watching the game in a crowd on as big a display as they can find?  The reason this gets "traction" is because the NFL sends nasty letters to churches.  Do you think Po Dunk G.C. men's association got a letter?  How about Phi Sigma *fudge*about?  How about Aske and Sal and their friends over for the game, beer and wings?

The whole concept is bull*feces*.  ANY organization should be able to put together a Super Bowl party without worrying about Big Brother.  It's broadcast over public airwaves.  It's paid for by advertising.  Unless they're charging a cover or otherwise benefiting from reselling the "product" itself all should be good. 

Don't get all legaleezy on me now.  I'm talking about common sense and where it intersects bull*feces*.   

I don't know the reasoning underlying the specifics in that portion of the Copyright Act.  I do still have my copyright casebook, though, so maybe I can research it and pretend to speak knowledgeably.