off topic web design ...

[Aske]

anyone know if you are using a typical CSS/java menu in a frameset (say on top frame page, with content from menu loaded in bottom or other frame)   how to get the menu to collapse back when it's not being moused over or  after a certain time delay?

[Uisce Beatha]

I use a modified version of this - http://www.seoconsultants.com/css/menus/tutorial/

Basically, once you get past some necessary IE hacks this stuff works very, very well.  I use it on a wide variety of sites.

Something like the following code must be added the HEAD for IE:

<!--[if IE]>
   <style type="text/css" media="screen">
      /* IE Menu CSS */
      /* csshover.htc file version: V1.21.041022 - Available for download from: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html */
      body {
         behavior:url(/common/htc/csshover.htc);
         font-size:100%; /* to enable text resizing in IE */
      }
      /* This is required for IE to avoid positioning bug when placing content first in source. */
      #hmenu {
         float: none;
      }
      #hmenu ul {
         width: 1px;
      }      
      #hmenu ul li{
         float: left;
      }
      #hmenu em, #hmenu a{
         height: 1%;
         font: bold 1.0em/1.4em arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
      }
   </style>
<![endif]-->

Presence of frames should be irrelevant although this is perhaps a good time to mention that framed sites suck large.