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[Aske]

http://cbs.sportsline.com...ad/team-headtohead/UTA/SA

is this really right?

Utah averaged over the season 92 ppg and allowed 95?   i suppose it's possible, but to win 50+ games out of 80, and trail the season stats by 3 ppg ?
 

[spacey]

Hmm. It's possible, as they won a lot of really close games and lost a few blowouts. I guess I have to trust the stat weenies to know what they're talking about.

[Aske]

Hmm. It's possible, as they won a lot of really close games and lost a few blowouts. I guess I have to trust the stat weenies to know what they're talking about.

{being lazy} i'm sure it could be right, but wow.

so, 3 ppg, 80 games (rounding)...  -240 points for the season
30 losses...  -8 per loss (average)

of course, they won 50 games (at least by 1 point each, and rounding)...
+50

so then, assuming a best case scenario for this...
differential of at least 290 then, so they actually lost those 30 games on average by at least 9.7 ppg

if they won games by an average of 3 points, then the differential goes to about 390, and then about 13 ppg in the losses...



again, i'm sure it is right... it is just an amazing stat.  (win 62% of your games close, lose 38% in blowouts ... on average...)

[Aske]

well  , my curiosity got the better of me, and I clicked on the jazz schedule from cbs.
the #'s dont match up

Result   Utah   OPP   Wins   Losses   
Won   107   97   10      
Won   108   104   4      
Won   106   82   24      
Won   103   101   2      
Lost   89   96      -7   
Won   107   100   7      
Won   113   111   2      
Won   112   90   22      
Won   118   109   9      
Won   120   117   3      
Won   101   96   5      
Won   110   101   9      
Won   114   108   6      
Lost   78   91      -13   
Lost   75   88      -13   
Won   83   75   8      
Lost   102   132      -30   
Won   109   107   2      
Won   101   88   13      
Lost   103   110      -7   
Won   101   79   22      
Won   105   86   19      
Lost   97   98      -1   
Won   104   94   10      
Lost   96   97      -1   
Won   112   106   6      
Lost   89   101      -12   
Won   100   97   3      
Won   102   92   10      
Lost   83   106      -23   
Won   96   86   10      
Won   98   87   11      
Lost   86   100      -14   
Won   96   84   12      
Lost   105   108      -3   
Lost   114   122      -8   
Lost   110   119      -9   
Lost   111   114      -3   
Won   100   99   1      
Won   102   94   8      
Won   95   85   10      
Won   106   91   15      
Lost   130   132      -2   
Won   116   111   5      
Lost   83   94      -11   
Lost   115   116      -1   
Won   97   93   4      
Won   108   105   3      
Won   100   95   5      
Won   104   102   2      
Won   102   76   26      
Won   99   98   1      
Lost   100   103      -3   
Won   114   104   10      
Won   105   87   18      
Lost   94   102      -8   
Won   104   88   16      
Won   109   83   26      
Won   108   94   14      
Won   120   95   25      
Won   94   72   22      
Won   96   86   10      
Lost   86   88      -2   
Lost   90   101      -11   
Lost   88   89      -1   
Lost   73   82      -9   
Won   104   100   4      
Lost   72   104      -32   
Won   118   108   10      
Won   103   97   6      
Won   108   102   6      
Lost   93   102      -9   
Won   86   83   3      
Lost   89   94      -5   
Lost   103   107      -4   
Lost   103   106      -3   
Lost   102   126      -24   
Lost   106   115      -9   
Won   104   89   15      
Lost   98   126      -28   
Won   130   93   37      
Won   101   91   10      
   101.4878049   98.62195122   541   -306   
      2.865853659         2.865853659
         
              wins(avg, stdev)        losses (avg, stdev)
         10.60784314         -9.870967742   
         8.02017065          8.853405881   

[spacey]

I'll never trust the stat weenies again. 

[stroh]

I'll never trust the stat weenies again. 

There's a 50% chance that's not true.

[Aske]

I'll never trust the stat weenies again. 

There's a 50% chance that's not true.

88.234709% of people know this. (7.1234987% of those named stroh)

[gleek]

It would be very tough to win 62% of your games and be outscored by an average of 3 PPG. On the other hand, it is apparently possible to lead the conference in scoring differential yet finish in 3rd place in your own division.

Witness the Chicago Bulls, who finished behind Detroit AND Cleveland, but lead the Eastern Conference in scoring differential with a +5.0.  How did they do it? They beat Miami 108-66 on 10/31/06, beat Memphis 111-66 on 01/13/07, beat New York 98-69 on 04/10/07, and beat Washington 101-68 on 04/15/07--four games in which the opponent scored less than 70. I'm surprised I didn't hear about any controversy over the Bulls running up the score.

OTOH, the Spurs lead the league in defense AND scoring differential, yet they didn't hold any opponent to under 70 points. IOW, they probably didn't try to rub it in the faces of their opponents when the game was in hand.