[Politics/Religion] Down goes Palin.

Nope. Right in line with the 'Blame MTV' rhetoric of the 'Personal Responsibility' crowd.

She'll be on the 700 Club with her mother at some point, although where Mr. BabyDaddy and HIS mother are shuffled off to is anybody's guess.

I know it's fashionable to jump on anything Palin says... even if it's not Sarah Palin saying it... but anyone who thinks Bristol's facts are wrong is living in a fantasy world.  **** in high school is de rigueur these days.  They're in the midst of a full blown gonorrhea outbreak at the local down the street.  The Christian school my son used to attend has ~10% pregnancy rate in the high school.  The public junior high he goes to now used to carry the reputation for having a *staff review* culture with kids queuing up behind the building after school.  They brought in a hard ass principal a while back and he put a halt to that but I'm not naive enough to believe the kids are having their parties elsewhere.

Personal responsibility, not ****, is what's in short supply.  Ready access to abortions and a complete dearth of ostracism by society plays into it.  I won't debate anyone here about abortion but I stand firm on my belief that it's far too easy.  Throw in a girl (not young woman, girl) for whom an abortion isn't taboo and in many cases you have nothing more than a very uncomfortable afternoon and pile of mommie's money which could have scored her an iPod Touch [damn it  ].  In many, certainly not all, cases there is no remorse, no lasting emotional pain, no behavior modification, no disapproval from society.  Maybe Mrs. Grundy has her uses.

Unfortunately for Bristol she decided to have (unprotected) ****.   Fortunately, as far as I can see, she and the father are taking responsibility too.  It's going to be difficult for them and they will without doubt have many reasons to regret their actions.  They'll grow up very fast even with the deep pockets and connections of Bristol's parents.  I don't envy them.  But what Bristol said in the story seems pretty accurate to me.

I agree blaming MTV is ridiculous although it's hard to argue the influence of media on our kids these days.  If my children get in a similar fix it will be their error with perhaps some large degree of failure on the part of myself and their mother, and without question a boatload of tacit approval from society.  That can't be denied; it just has to be addressed by parents.

[go on, have a *fudge*, it's fun!!!, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more]



OK, the floor is yours.  Pile on libtards.   

I agree with you UB (except the iPod Touch thing, just go for the iPhone). You get nothing from me.

Why should there be proscriptions and pogroms?  

Nearly half of all preg's in the US are unintended, and ~40% of unintended preg's end in abortion.  

The sheer numbers suggest that abortion is widely viewed as acceptable, and not necessarily a behavior that demands societal rebuke, lasting emotional pain, scarlet letter 'A's' tattooed on foreheads, whippings in the public square, etc and so forth.  

Indeed, the constitution specifically protects this majority from the demands of a puritanical minority.

Saying in many cases there is no remorse, no pain, etc. and society doesn't ostracize the practice is quite possibly the dumbest *feces* I've heard on this site.  I'm just sayin'.

Fair enough.  But your experience is very limited because people don't talk about it for fear of being ostracized.  People don't tell their friends that they had one, they don't tell their family, they don't tell their kids they did birth, they don't tell a soul.  It is a dark secret they hold onto forever.  If society didn't care why then all the secrecy.  Just because it is "relatively" easy to have the procedure done, doesn't mean society accepts it.  Maybe my view is based on a narrow segment of the population being in Oklahoma.  But I feel the societal pressure to, if done, never talk about it to anyone under any circumstances.

X2.

 I do not speak of it at all.  I will say it haunts me to this day.