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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2007, 10:02:21 AM »

yup, you could can get your local network affiliates free OTA


I would suggest that he doesn't need The McNeil - Lehrer Hour at any higher resolution.


Yeah, but  Air quotes Monty Air quotes is hooked on Barney reruns.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2007, 10:07:41 AM »

i wonder if ric romero's station broadcasts news in HD yet.  that toupee must be amazing.
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2007, 10:20:51 AM »

yup, you could can get your local network affiliates free OTA


I would suggest that he doesn't need The McNeil - Lehrer Hour at any higher resolution.


Yeah, but  Air quotes Monty Air quotes is hooked on Barney reruns.

Air quotes He Air quotes prefers Dora the Explorer.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2007, 02:34:28 PM »

Alright, just spent my first two hours researching HDTV, etc.  My mind is mush.  I expect I'll have to invest 100+ hours just to learn the basics.  It's gonna get ugly.

Damn you aske.

so anyways... i hope you've already at least decided: ummm.. room size, ratio of movies to tv expected, budget, amount of 'futureproofing' etc?    Devil
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2007, 03:05:35 PM »

Alright, just spent my first two hours researching HDTV, etc.  My mind is mush.  I expect I'll have to invest 100+ hours just to learn the basics.  It's gonna get ugly.

Damn you aske.

so anyways... i hope you've already at least decided: ummm.. room size, ratio of movies to tv expected, budget, amount of 'futureproofing' etc?    Devil

I've absolutely decided that those are things that must be decided.

Room size: check
Ratio of movies to TV expected: deliberating/researching
Budget: check
Amount of futureproofing: deliberating/researching
Programming source: deliberating/researching (why do they all suck in some way?)
HDV format: check (you've talked me into it)
Display size: deliberating/researching
Resolution: deliberating/researching
Deadline: deliberating/researching

I don't want to buy a new AVR right now.  I have a 8 year old Marantz SR7200 that may or may not be up to the task.  I'm concerned that I'll get myself in a catch-22 situation between futureproofing and trying to use the old unit.
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2007, 03:15:15 PM »


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I don't want to buy a new AVR right now.  I have a 8 year old Marantz SR7200 that may or may not be up to the task.  I'm concerned that I'll get myself in a catch-22 situation between futureproofing and trying to use the old unit.


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not the worst in the world even by modern standards but you'll definitely want to upgrade it . it would 'work' {via downres/downsampling} but you wouldn't get ANY of the hd-audio benefit you get from cable/sat/ota and hd-dvd/blowray

just running 1 wire into the display is nice also hehehehe
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2007, 03:19:25 PM »


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I don't want to buy a new AVR right now.  I have a 8 year old Marantz SR7200 that may or may not be up to the task.  I'm concerned that I'll get myself in a catch-22 situation between futureproofing and trying to use the old unit.


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not the worst in the world even by modern standards but you'll definitely want to upgrade it . it would 'work' {via downres/downsampling} but you wouldn't get ANY of the hd-audio benefit you get from cable/sat/ota and hd-dvd/blowray

just running 1 wire into the display is nice also hehehehe

That's good news (right??)  I'd upgrade within a year but I'd hate to have to step down on the display and/or HDV just to granddaddy the Marantz into play.  If I can "get by" for a year on the audio side but still be able go all out on the video side I'll be happy. 

* All out does not mean $20k.   Wink
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2007, 03:21:47 PM »

fair enough.   Grin
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2007, 03:51:47 PM »

Alright then, if this isn't too presumptuous of me...

Room is 18x18.  Display will be centered on "outside" wall between two windows.  I'd like to wall-mount unless that has inherent problems of some sort.  Currently running 5.1 with the four corners of the room hosting the front L/R and rear surrounds.  Seating is angled at about 25 degrees from center rear (love seat and couch).

Budget is roughly $5k.  I can swing more if necessary but I'd rather not. 

Currently on DISH.  I've been researching Comcast to get away from HD-Lite but those bastards don't seem to have FSC nor Setanta in my area (haven't explicitly called yet).  I'm not sure I can live that way.  OTA doesn't work in my neighborhood.  I have the fanciest antenna made and it's so much metal in the attic.

Leaning toward LCD only because I like the picture better in the stores.  Totally open to being convinced otherwise.

Leaning toward 46" display as it fits the space between the windows nicely.

Leaning toward 1080p just 'cuz. 

Usage will be as follows:

  • Soccer/Rugby/GAA (SD unfortunately AFAIK) - no more than 4-6 hours per week
  • NFL - no more than 6 hours per week
  • Golf - heavy on the majors and Ryder Cup; 1 hour here and there otherwise
  • Children's programming (Nick/Disney) - about 1 hour a day but ramps up a bit in winter
  • Mind-numbingly boring wifey shows (DIY/Food/Other *feces*e) - God only knows
  • Animal Planet/Biography/Discovery/History/etc. - 4-5 hours per week but also ramps up in winter
  • SD movies - 1 per week maybe
  • HD movies - 2 per week probably and maybe more as I ramp up
  • Stewart/Colbert - about 2 hours per week (rest of week watched upstairs)
  • Gaming - zippo

No wide angle viewing.  We'll be in front of the display or not watching it.

Need a good universal remote to handle existing Marantz AVR and SD-DVD plus HDV and display.

Will spend for cabling, power protection, etc. but only as necessary.  No need to go overboard IMO.

TV isn't used as white noise in our house.  If nobody is actively watching it's turned off.

I'm sure there's much more as I get to thinking about it.  If the good doctor and/or any others have opinions they'd be most welcome.  I'm your beeyatch.  Tell me what to do.   Wink

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2007, 04:16:24 PM »

Currently on DISH.  I've been researching Comcast to get away from HD-Lite but those bastards don't seem to have FSC nor Setanta in my area (haven't explicitly called yet).  I'm not sure I can live that way. 

I have to  Sad.  I have FSC, but no Setana on Charter cable.  Cannot bring myself to switch to sat over one channel, even though I would really like to have it.  If you get HDNET you will get some MLS games in very nice 1080i  Smiley


Size - bigger is almost always better.  You have the room size to support a larger display (I have a 50" in a slightly smaller room), but if it doesn't fit where you need it...

I already had a stand that was perfect, so I didn't wall mount and have been very happy.  My stand has a rotating top that allows me to angle it if I'm on the loveseat or sofa, even though the viewing angle is quite good (plasma).

Don't splurge on digital cables - its a high or its a low, don't bring old analog concerns about cable into the digital world.

Power protection - I would suggest it.  I'm looking at upgrading mine right now - our local power company has not been kind over the years  Angry


PS - you're gunna want to upgrade the AVR if you get into HD-DVD or Blue-Ray  Wink

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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2007, 04:28:47 PM »

Thanks Rick.  I guess I'll look at 50" although the price bumps a fair bit.  But hey, if I stay on budget it doesn't matter, right? 
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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2007, 04:30:36 PM »

Alright then, if this isn't too presumptuous of me...

Room is 18x18.  Display will be centered on "outside" wall between two windows.  I'd like to wall-mount unless that has inherent problems of some sort.  Currently running 5.1 with the four corners of the room hosting the front L/R and rear surrounds.  Seating is angled at about 25 degrees from center rear (love seat and couch).

18x18 is definitely about right for a 5.1, it could later squeeze 7.1 but it would be tight and probably not necessary.  wall mount saves space but costs more.  how far from the wall is the seating ?  10 feet ?

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Budget is roughly $5k.  I can swing more if necessary but I'd rather not. 
definitely enough to get started (and an avr  Wink)

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Currently on DISH.  I've been researching Comcast to get away from HD-Lite but those bastards don't seem to have FSC nor Setanta in my area (haven't explicitly called yet).  I'm not sure I can live that way.  OTA doesn't work in my neighborhood.  I have the fanciest antenna made and it's so much metal in the attic.
dish sucks total balls on hdtv (ultimate downres hd-lite experience).   directv is going to go to mpeg4 which will in theory put them in the lead with the most possible high quality hd channels, but whether they will downres them to hd-lite is yet to be seen  .commiecast doesn't downres, but until they implement SDV they can't offer as many channels yet.

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Leaning toward LCD only because I like the picture better in the stores.  Totally open to being convinced otherwise.
tough call to make based on 'in the store' they're all on 'shop mode' and it depends on what they're playing.  for sports, unless its an 120hz display,  most lcd will motion blur some at fast action even if the signal is great.

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Leaning toward 46" display as it fits the space between the windows nicely.
if you stay at 46" you'll definitely stay under budget. optimum viewing distance here is 7-10 feet.

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Leaning toward 1080p just 'cuz. 
good idea. futureproof. and better quality.   however, you won't see the differnece without great great eyesight on 46" past 10 feet.       46" lcd 1080p  shouldn't be more than $2500 (that's now... they'll be $2000 at thanksgiving/xmas) max....     however, to really maximize 1080p at 10 feet you really should probably be 55-65" .  you'll "see" the detail the most.   sometimes bigger is better. this is one time.  assuming you don't mind blocking a window a bit, or rearranging somewhat

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Usage will be as follows:

  • Soccer/Rugby/GAA (SD unfortunately AFAIK) - no more than 4-6 hours per week
  • NFL - no more than 6 hours per week
  • Golf - heavy on the majors and Ryder Cup; 1 hour here and there otherwise
  • Children's programming (Nick/Disney) - about 1 hour a day but ramps up a bit in winter
  • Mind-numbingly boring wifey shows (DIY/Food/Other *feces*e) - God only knows
  • Animal Planet/Biography/Discovery/History/etc. - 4-5 hours per week but also ramps up in winter
  • SD movies - 1 per week maybe
  • HD movies - 2 per week probably and maybe more as I ramp up
  • Stewart/Colbert - about 2 hours per week (rest of week watched upstairs)
  • Gaming - zippo
not recommended for  plasma with that much SD, kids high color,  and and potential black bar movies 

dlp probably better than lcd  with that much sports desired. (assuming you aren't rainbow sensitive) 

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No wide angle viewing.  We'll be in front of the display or not watching it.
then anything would pretty much work except maybe sitting on the floor from right under it.

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Need a good universal remote to handle existing Marantz AVR and SD-DVD plus HDV and display.
logitech 880 suits me well, about $150.  there are cheaper and more expensive models.  depends how big of a screen you want and how many devices to control.  beware, the software may be windows only. i can't remember!

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Will spend for cabling, power protection, etc. but only as necessary.  No need to go overboard IMO.
power protection probably a good idea.  $200 at most needed (battery backup, surge, power cleaning)  rest of the cabling can be had for $100 at most total (3-4 sets of video and audio cables)   do not buy a/v cables in the store! ever!

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TV isn't used as white noise in our house.  If nobody is actively watching it's turned off.
then you definitely don't want a conventional bulk rear projector.  on/off cycling kills the bulb in those units. ($300-$400 every 2 years probably).  either flat panel or slim led microdisplay

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I'm sure there's much more as I get to thinking about it.  If the good doctor and/or any others have opinions they'd be most welcome.  I'm your beeyatch.  Tell me what to do.   Wink

gimme $.  Wink


anyways, you could easily , without even going bigger TV, get the tv(plus warranty), hd-dvd player (hda20 , hda35, or xa1 recommended) , onkyo thx hdmi1.3 avr (plus warranty), logitech remote ,  **and** 30-40 (plus 7-9 free with purchase) hd-dvds (to start with on day 1) for $5000 if you did it at buttbuy or circuit*feces*ty you'd also get about $250 worth of reward gift certificates.

one other thing, stay with name brands.  while olevia, vizio, etc  generally work just fine, if something does go wrong, you have to pay to ship it to and back from them (say $300) for repairs if it's even still under warranty. ... whereas name brands will offer house based service calls (probably even in utah!! lol)

again its your $, your decision, take my advice for what it's worth.  once you buy that 46" and sit down, you'll enjoy it.  but then you'll say, i wish it were bigger. keep in mind that viewing area ratio (or screen size) goes as (d1/d2)^2.  for example 50/46 has about a 20% bigger screen and 55/46 has about a 40% bigger screen ... which makes a huge difference....  if you plan to watch a lot of hd-dvds especially. (as most are proper OAR 2.35:1)  your vertical screen height used on a 46" would be ...  a whopping 17"

 
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2007, 05:16:20 PM »

Nice.   Thumbs Up

I have a feeling I'll be buying dinner/drinks before all is said and done here.  Assuming you roll out to SLC in the near future that is.   Wink

I have 50-55" of usable horizontal room between the windows.  Based on what I'm seeing that takes me up into most 50-56" displays.  Both of you used the "bigger is better" line so I'd better consider it strongly.

A few starter questions and I'll head off on my research:

1.  How do you know if you're rainbow-sensitive?  Drag the whole family down to a shop and watch some closing credits?

2.  Assuming I'll go with either LCD or DLP in the 50-56" range, which brands/models should I start to research per technology?

3.  DIRECTV v. Comcast.  Which is a better bet moving down the road?  If it's even close I'm going with the one that gets me channels I need.  Currently that seems to be DIRECTV.
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2007, 05:32:47 PM »

Woah.  Big pic.  It does help.

I didn't answer that question.  For wall mount the seating would be a good 15'.  With a table top stand it'd be closer to 10-13' depending on which end of which piece of furniture you're on.  By the way, the furniture is likely to change down the road too.  It can't be further away than it already is... that's for sure.
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2007, 05:37:49 PM »

goddamn, that was too big.  i just changed it.

i also added info on expected unit width (if you have 55" horizontal space)   Smiley

ps, although it's not necessarily common, you can build wall mount shelving for microdisplays.
just not 'hangable'


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