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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 10:31:02 AM » |
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Like any of the Next gen systems would ever cost $199.  . What does he think of the XBOX 360 elite costing $449? Developers should stick to making games. |
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 10:34:21 AM » |
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Like any of the Next gen systems would ever cost $199. . What does he think of the XBOX 360 elite costing $449? Developers should stick to making games. why should they bother porting a game to the lowest install base platform {at an extremely high cost!!} when it appears the hardware manufacturer has no interest in lowering prices to help ramp up sales ?  p.s. (haha!) isn't the ps2 under $199 now? what did it street for a few years ago? and launch? |
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 10:40:26 AM » |
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Like any of the Next gen systems would ever cost $199. . What does he think of the XBOX 360 elite costing $449? Developers should stick to making games. why should they bother porting a game to the lowest install base platform {at an extremely high cost!!} when it appears the hardware manufacturer has no interest in lowering prices to help ramp up sales ? They already lowered the price. Sales already have increased 300% in November, and it should increase as more games come out in 2008. Other 3rd party companies like Ubisoft and Kojima have no problem making games for the PS3. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 10:40:47 AM » |
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p.p.s.
(at least right now)...
Sony needs Guitar Hero on the PS3 way more than Activision needs it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 10:44:45 AM » |
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They already lowered the price. Sales already have increased 300% in November, and it should increase as more games come out in 2008. Other 3rd party companies like Ubisoft and Kojima have no problem making games for the PS3.
sales increased when they lowered price AND introduced aka (suckered people) into the non-backward compatible 40GB model  anyways, yeh game sales will pick up some (but not nearly at what $ony needs since most upcoming must have titles are cross platform), at the expense of BD sales nobody has a problem making games for the ps3 right now ? that's news to every article i have read in the last 2 years with companies (except sony) stating it is far harder to develop/port onto the ps3 than vice versa.  |
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 10:46:44 AM » |
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I don't see where Guitar Hero would benefit being on the PS3 anyway. It's not like that game is graphic heavy that it needs the extra hardware power.
I agree Sony needs them more then they need Sony.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 10:57:09 AM » |
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They already lowered the price. Sales already have increased 300% in November, and it should increase as more games come out in 2008. Other 3rd party companies like Ubisoft and Kojima have no problem making games for the PS3.
sales increased when they lowered price AND introduced aka (suckered people) into the non-backward compatible 40GB model anyways, yeh game sales will pick up some (but not nearly at what $ony needs since most upcoming must have titles are cross platform), at the expense of BD sales nobody has a problem making games for the ps3 right now ? that's news to every article i have read in the last 2 years with companies (except sony) stating it is far harder to develop/port onto the ps3 than vice versa. I don't care about backwards compatibility. I am getting a PS3 to play PS3 games and Bluray (gasp !) movies. But if I do need BC for whatever reason, I am getting the 80 gig anyway  Developers had similar problems with the Playstation 2 when it first came out regarding its "complex" technology. http://arstechnica.com/ne...-can-do-more-with-it.htmlGenerally developers usually adapt and learn to program for a system, and not bitch and whine about it like EA. As with the PS2, the games looked better and better as it aged. When M$ learns to make a reliable non-defective system, I may get an XBOX 360 as well. I am dissapointed that you are supporting M$ Aske. I really think that M$ is NOT the lesser of the two evils. I at least expected you to support Nintendo more maybe.  I guess this discussion was inevitable anyway.  pps. the ps3 is doing as well as XBOX 360 did its first year. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 11:08:44 AM » |
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I don't care about backwards compatibility. I am getting a PS3 to play PS3 games and Bluray (gasp !) movies. But if I do need BC for whatever reason, I am getting the 80 gig anyway Developers had similar problems with the Playstation 2 when it first came out regarding its "complex" technology. http://arstechnica.com/ne...-can-do-more-with-it.htmlGenerally developers usually adapt and learn to program for a system, and not bitch and whine about it like EA. As with the PS2, the games looked better and better as it aged. When M$ learns to make a reliable non-defective system, I may get an XBOX 360 as well. I am dissapointed that you are supporting M$ Aske. I really think that M$ is NOT the lesser of the two evils. I at least expected you to support Nintendo more maybe. I guess this discussion was inevitable anyway. yeh, but developers had a reason to learn/hire for the ps2- it jumped out to a nearly instantaneous END ALL DOUBT #1 console lead. there was a sound financial reason to invest in the upfront - it was clearly going to dominate sales until at least the end of that generational cycle. the ps3 has shown NO signs of doing anything better than anchoring 3rd place in this generation. of course it's anecdotal- my 360 has no problems, ever. of course, i don't play it on the carpet or in a completely closed off shelf area. all nextgen consoles are high powered devices that need massive cooling and airflow. and yes, in this case, M$ is clearly the lesser of 2 evils. they didn't try to trojan an entire optical format onto the world. the best will be when profile 1.1 BD titles fail to play and lockup the early generation BD standalone consoles. the outcry is gonna be great. sony , fox, and the rest of the BDA are forcing the REAL anti-consumer products {not m$ in this instance} : BDJ, BD+, REGION CODING, unadvertised OBSOLESCENT HARDWARE, horrible quality MPEG2 transfers, etc. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2007, 11:24:26 AM » |
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I don't care about backwards compatibility. I am getting a PS3 to play PS3 games and Bluray (gasp !) movies. But if I do need BC for whatever reason, I am getting the 80 gig anyway Developers had similar problems with the Playstation 2 when it first came out regarding its "complex" technology. http://arstechnica.com/ne...-can-do-more-with-it.htmlGenerally developers usually adapt and learn to program for a system, and not bitch and whine about it like EA. As with the PS2, the games looked better and better as it aged. When M$ learns to make a reliable non-defective system, I may get an XBOX 360 as well. I am dissapointed that you are supporting M$ Aske. I really think that M$ is NOT the lesser of the two evils. I at least expected you to support Nintendo more maybe. I guess this discussion was inevitable anyway. yeh, but developers had a reason to learn/hire for the ps2- it jumped out to a nearly instantaneous END ALL DOUBT #1 console lead. there was a sound financial reason to invest in the upfront - it was clearly going to dominate sales until at least the end of that generational cycle. the ps3 has shown NO signs of doing anything better than anchoring 3rd place in this generation. of course it's anecdotal- my 360 has no problems, ever. of course, i don't play it on the carpet or in a completely closed off shelf area. all nextgen consoles are high powered devices that need massive cooling and airflow. and yes, in this case, M$ is clearly the lesser of 2 evils. they didn't try to trojan an entire optical format onto the world. the best will be when profile 1.1 BD titles fail to play and lockup the early generation BD standalone consoles. the outcry is gonna be great. sony , fox, and the rest of the BDA are forcing the REAL anti-consumer products {not m$ in this instance} : BDJ, BD+, REGION CODING, unadvertised OBSOLESCENT HARDWARE, horrible quality MPEG2 transfers, etc. Looks like developers are figuring out that porting the other way around may be actually better ! Just about everyone I know who has an XBOX 360 has gone through at least one. MS had to create an extended warranty JUST FOR the RROD. 30% failure rate is unacceptable. They did not "trojan" the BD format just because of movies. Sony uses the BD format in order take advantage of its capacity for their games. Uncharted, for example, takes all of the capacity of a BD disc. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2007, 11:27:29 AM » |
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They did not "trojan" the BD format just because of movies.
If you honestly think that, there's no point even arguing/debating this further. Sony is the only corporation with a movie studio, the vertical integration for production/distribution of its films, as well as vertical integration for proprietary format/codec development and manufacturing- not to mention the expected manufactured hardware sales of 100,000,000 consoles to drive the format into the market. Now- someday* M$ might go that route (and hence become evil enough to try to trojan an optical /flash/whatnot format on the world) |
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2007, 11:46:17 AM » |
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They did not "trojan" the BD format just because of movies.
If you honestly think that, there's no point even arguing/debating this further. Sony is the only corporation with a movie studio, the vertical integration for production/distribution of its films, as well as vertical integration for proprietary format development and manufacturing. Now- someday* M$ might go that route (and hence become evil enough to try to trojan an optical /flash/whatnot format on the world) Sony is obviously going to promote their own disc format. The PS3 is both a console system and a blu-ray disc player. You don't have to buy Blu-ray movies if you don't want to. Even if blu-ray loses, Sony will still use the technology for their games. I personally don't care if either format wins. I got the ps3 to play games. If HD-DVD wins, I will gladly buy an hd-dvd player. You are right about M$. I read an article of Michael Bay mentioning that MS is letting Blu-ray and HD-dvd duel it out and then their movie downloading format will eventually take over. Thats probably why they haven't incorporated the HD-DVD player in their system. This is all speculation, but not impossible considering MS. As always, it is fun debating with you Aske. |
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